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to change something, michelle obama has to rejigger something. what? >> charlie is making a good point. the government is trying. >> they always have good intentions. >> they should stop trying. if the guidelines are too rigid, change them. it's a good thing. >> it's starts with good intentions but you make guidelines -- >> remember the -- >> [ overtalk ] >> this doesn't work out. >> the class disparity is big-time. your local school, i'm sure there is gold plaited lunches. >> there is not. >> she's a mom with kids and knows -- >> what do you mean? >> do you think she grew up in hollywood and was on tv as a child and went to an ivy league school? jeesh! oh, you did. [ laughter ] >> all public school have the same budget and serve the same food. the notion that the government can dictate. the government has a role to suggest and encouraging but it gets -- >> what is wrong is guidelines? >> it's fine. >> if you say guideline is a guideline but if you say you must eat -- >> you're saying it's bad they eat whole wheat -- >> eat whatever they want to eat. eat whatever -- >> don't tell me wh
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